SIGTRAN Working Group
Meeting Notes - December 10, 1998


Chair: Lyndon Ong - long@nortelnetworks.com
Reported by Matt Holdrege - matt@ascend.com
160 people signed the blue sheet.

The SIGTRAN archive can be found at 
ftp://ftp.baynetworks.com/pub/outgoing/long/sigtran

1. Agenda and Charter

The agenda escaped bashing.  The group then discussed 
the charter as approved by IESG.

Goals of the group are: Informational RFC on 
requirements, 
standards track proposal on transport,
to support encapsulation, security and resilience
no new IP functions or call/device control protocols

Target - July for submission to IESG.

A question was asked by Chip Sharp on whether 
signalling gateway to signalling gateway was part of 
the charter.  This is shown in the current framework 
document and can be addressed within the group's 
charter.

Scott Bradner (AD) made clear that the group was to 
focus on transport of signaling protocols,
and  not work on the design of signalling protocols. 

2. Requirements

The group reviewed requirements from RSGP (Matt 
Holdrege - no slides used), Etheric (Ian Rytina, 
ian.rytina@ericsson.com) and IPDC (Ike Elliott, 
ike.elliott@Level3.com).  Some points of note:

- SIGTRAN will address Etheric requirements for 
transport of ISUP over IP.

- Ike identified a list of 8 requirements, including:
SIGTRAN protocol must support multiple payload types, 
implying a payload type identifier in each message
SIGTRN sessions must be proxyable to pass through 
firewalls
SIGTRAN must be able to multiplex multiple sessions 
on one underlying session
SIGTRAN must include an identifier for the physical 
interface 
SIGTRAN must include an identifier for the logical 
entity on which the signalling originates/terminates. 
Nomenclature for identifiers must be designated. This 
could be a DNS name or IP address.
SIGTRAN must allow transport of ISUP, QSIG, TCAP, 
DPNSS, DSS1 as well as be extensible to other 
signalling protocols.  Other protocols such as IS41 
and GSM MAP were also identified.
SIGTRAN must be transactional and application level 
acknowledged (subsequently Ike has modified this to 
require just reliable delivery.  There were issues 
with the word "transactional").
SIGTRAN must be capable of meeting the performance 
requirements of these protocols in real networks.

Steve Cohoon also noted that security aspects would 
be important. 

Ike suggested we should try to mathematically prove 
that the timing requirements could be met. Scott 
Bradner noted that this would be an interesting task 
on the public Internet, and that we should not assume 
that this would only be used in private nets.

3. New Requirements Work

Bob Abrams (presenting for Mike McGrew, 
mmcgrew@lucent.com) showed a drawing of the reference 
entities in a layer chart. New adaptation layers were 
required between MTP-3 and UDP and TCP.

In response to questions, it was clarified that MTP3 
would be modified to adapt to these layers, and that 
the scenarios being addressed here were the use of IP 
for transport of signaling between SS7 endpoints (as 
opposed to transport between an SS7 endpoint and an 
IP node).  It was agreed (prompted by the AD) that 
this group will not address changes to MTP, that is 
ITU-T's domain.  This group would not define changes 
to protocols being transported, only the transport 
itself.

Henry Sinnreich (henry.sinnreich@mci.com) spoke on 
service provider requirements for IP Telephony 
signalling and device control. These mostly applied 
to design of megaco, rather than sigtran work, and 
was deferred to that group.

Paul Lin (hlin@bellcore.com) identified a number of 
Internet Telephony signalling performance 
requirements based on PSTN, especially call setup 
delay requirements that affect the latency 
requirements for transport of signaling over IP.  

There were a number of questions, in particular Scott 
Bradner suggested that some of the call setup delay 
requirements associated with user expectations could 
be handled in ways other than requirements on the 
latency of signaling transport, such as provision of 
reassuring tones or indications.  It was suggested 
that protocol-based requirements such as timers 
should be differentiated from user-based requirements 
such as post-dial delay.  It was also suggested that 
there may be a range of services from high quality to 
low, and that the group should not assume 
automatically that PSTN requirements will be the 
target for all applications.

Scott Bradner noted that the RUTS BOF asked for a 
muxing protocol to handle the issues of packet 
handling in a congested scenario, and that this work 
may be relevant to SIGTRAN.

The work on requirements will be incorporated through 
enhancements of the iRFC on signaling transport 
requirements.  The group is encouraged to work on 
extensions to the existing framework document.

4. TCAP over IP and Other

Gene Ma (gene_ma@nortelnetworks.com) presented a 
proposal for TCAP transport over UDP (T/UDP).  This 
identified several requirements and proposed protocol 
enhancements to support TCAP and SCCP addressing and 
management.

David Sanchez Ariz (emedasa@madrid.ericsson.se) 
presented an architecture for SCCP transport over IP 
called  Simple SCCP Tunnelling Protocol - SSTP, and 
identified similar need for protocol to support SCCP 
addressing and management.

Scott Bradner reiterated that the group is addressing 
the issue of replacing the wire between the two 
switches using IP instead of a TDM channel. There was 
some uncertainty about whether the issues of routing 
fall within the charter.  (In the Chair's view, the 
issue is not so much routing in an IP sense as the 
mapping of protocol at the Gateway, which affects the 
information that needs to be encapsulated and 
transported for TCAP and SCCP).  More clarification 
is needed on this issue.

Scott Petrack (Scott_Petrack@vocaltec.com) proposed 
using RTP to signal events. Features
include:
Real time, reliable, in order delivery
Delivery to controller of all event info
Association to media stream
Global time synchronization
Muxing across single port

This will be compared with other potential protocols 
through discussion on the mailing list.

Tom Taylor (taylor@americasm01.nt.com) and Gur Kimchi 
(gur.kimchi@etsi.fr) provided input from current work 
in ITU-T SG16 and ETSI TIPHON.  Gur is the editor for 
work in SG16 on an annex (E) to support transport of 
H.323 signalling over UDP rather than just TCP.  This 
work provides a framework that may be useful for 
SIGTRAN as well.  Gur identified documents on the 
PictureTel website for those interested in following 
up.  SG16 plans to approve this framework in early 
1999.